One needs to think about this!!!!!
Once we are on Medicare we pay a monthly fee.
She could opt out of paying the MediGAP and pay it herself. You don't have to have the MediGAP insurance. You do have to have Drug policy because Medicare can penalize you.
Medicare is only going to allow an X amount of dollars for that visit no matter what....and you will be responsible for the 20% of that allowable.
If that doctor's office billed correctly, the PA would have their own NPI # with Medicare and the office visit would be billed under him and not the doctor....resulting in a lesser fee.
You speak of ONE policy from a private insurer.
Let's think about this......One pays Medicare monthly and there are no stockholders that are holding anyone to the bottom line. The insurance companies have stockholders that are holding them to the bottom lines. Which do you think is gonna come out on top of this scenario. Surely not your mother or anyone else on Medicare.
If Medicare doesn't use the money you pay for your care, it is going for someone else who is on Medicare that needs it. With the insurance companies....it is going to their stockholders. Think about it!
For instance....Medicare Advantage through United Healthcare, Blue Cross Blue Shield, Humana....you pick your poison.....Medicare pays them more money to have you insured than you pay to Medicare and the insurance company also charges you a monthly fee......sure they cover some of your drugs, and you probably still have to make a copy, and if you go out of their NETWORK you will still end up paying the limiting charge that Medicare allows, thus costing you. Tell me who is making out in this deal?
Confused? Yes, and I've worked in the business for 40 some years and I will NEVER give up my Medicare....which, by the way, I will begin receiving February 2012. And, I will never vote for someone who is trying to take away Medicare or Social Security. Medicare works if they would just leave it alone and let it doe its job.
The Truth About Rep. Ryan's Medicare Plan
Categories: Family & Money Insurance
Before we completely dismiss Rep. Paul Ryan's Medicare proposal that would , basically, allow seniors to select their own health care insurance plans paid for by a government stipend...I want to share a quick story with you about my nearly 85-year-old Mom.
She has been blessed with wonderful health for most of her life, and, except for eye drops to prevent glaucoma, she takes no medicines--just vitamin pills.
No one could possibly call her a Medicare abuser.
About a month and a half ago she awoke with a lower back problem.
After a couple of weeks of constant pain, she finally saw a chiropractor who, unfortunately, was unable to help.
She then went to a "back" doctor recommended by my friend.
As prescribed during her first appointment with the doctor, she was sent for an MRI.
After the MRI, the second appointment with the doctor resulted in a prescription for pain pills and an appointment the following week at a pain management clinic for an epidural injection to ease the pain.
After two more trips back to the doctor, consisting of more time spent in the waiting room than in actual face-time with the doctor, I took her back to the pain management clinic for her THIRD (and final) epidural treatment.
At the clinic, she didn't even get a chance to see the doctor!
A physician's assistant went to tell the doctor how my Mom was doing after the first two shots. She then informed my Mom that it was too soon for the final shot!
A visit to the doctor to be told that it was too soon for her third shot?
Was that visit really necessary?
My mom, the patient, sure didn't think so.
Would Medicare be billed even though the doctor was never in the room?
You can bet on that! And you can also bet the bill will be no cheaper for the lack of not seeing the physician.
Couldn't she have been told on the phone that it was too soon for the final shot?
And, listen to this... Her eye doctor appointments worked the same way--two trips on two separate occasions, in her opinion, for the very same treatment, so that the doctor can bill Medicare twice to cover his actual costs.
Considering that Mom pays roughly $3,500 a year for MediGAP insurance to cover what Medicare won't pay for, you have to ask yourself, "Might she be better off with ONE policy of her choosing paid to a private insurer a la the Ryan plan re: fewer trips to doctor's offices, fewer bills being paid and a smaller government payroll for Medicare employees?"
What do YOU think?
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Ken and Daria Dolan have hosted their own national radio program for 22 years, anchored their own television shows on CNN, authored six books on money matters, served as money contributors on CBS This Morning and have now launched a comprehensive web site and free e-letter at Dolans.com.
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So Daria -- did you track the charges made to Medicare and to your mother's private insurer?? And if there were discrepancies did you complain to the Physician's office, Medicare service line and insurance company claim management dept?? I ask because 3 years ago my mother suffered a scenario very similar to your mom's -- she was hospitalized for "intractable back pain" secondary to spinal stenosis -- which is her correct diagnosis -- but over the course of the next 4 months she had multiple treatments including physical therapy rehab, and several epidural injections which eventually provided great relief. All of this care was co-ordinated by a neuro-surgeon, who, as in your mother's case, had a PA who actually handled most of the office visit "face time". At one visit we did meet with the MD and when we reviewed the bill (months later, AFTER Medicare and private insurance had paid)we realized that he had billed $1050 FOR A 15 MINUTE OFFICE VISIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND WORSE -- MEDICARE AND THE PRIVATE INSURER PAID IT WITHOUT QUESTION!!!!!! It was only when we made inquiry that any investigating/adjusting was done.
The private insurance industry is strictly a for-profit enterprize.... they are not interested in the well-being of anyone but their shareholders. For that matter, the Medicare program is a huge, unwieldy, inefficient bureaucracy that lacks adequate internal and external oversight.
That said, I'll take the Medicare program any day of the week. Both Social Security and Medicare are two of the few truly good ideas our government has proposed -- they COULD be simple and efficient -- they are already immensely popular and enjoy bipartisan support OF THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY.
For the last 30 years politicians have been dragging out the boogeyman of a failing Social Security and Medicare system, one that could be easily fixed. Simply take the cap off the FICA tax limit and be done. At $100,000-plus currently it captures a huge percentage of wage-earners. For those making above that amount, it is an affordable investment in the quality of life for our seniors (and I know because I am in a higher tax-bracket)
It will increasingly be our job as health-care consumers (because, yes, we ARE paying "as we go" for Medicare) to monitor our providers' billing and the scenarios of inefficient delivery of care. Unfortunately, so many using the Medicare system are in no shape to be poring over billing codes and questioning discrepancies.
It is exhausting to endure this continual politicizing of an issue that should speak to the best of our national values, not one that is beset with fear and greed.
I too will NEVER vote for anyone who supports disbanding Social Security/Medicare.
An interesting scenario, but a false conclusion. Privatization of Medicare would also not eliminate excessive billings by medical providers. I say that from my personal experience: while I'm happy with my in-network private insurance doctors, there's no question that they often turn simple office visits into multiple office visits. When you add in the exhorbitant salaries that senior officers of insurance companies pay themselves and the additional pressures to maximize profit to shareholders, there's no way that private insurers can deliver comparable coverage any cheaper than Medicare can. The trade off of government bureaucrat salaries for multi-zillion dollar officer salaries and shareholder profits cannot deliver insurance at better prices, and the waste caused by excessive charges by medical providers occurs virtually equally in both systems.
May I share the reasons I am afraid to think of what is already happening with Medicare? At 70 years old I very suddenly needed to be seen by an OB/GYN and tests sent to laboratories showed that I had Endometrial cancer. I would need to have all related female parts removed as well as any surrounding lymph nodes. Test after test were performed. One month later my NYC OB/GYN Oncologist performed a six hour total hysterectomy and surrounding lymph nodes. Fortunately for me, this was a grade one tumor and was caught pretty early. At any rate, Medicare and my supplement were charged $20,270.00 for the six hour surgery. Medicare considers the operation to have been worth $1,634.57 and paid $1,307.66. My supplemental paid the remaining $326.91.
Do any of you remember that we used to purchase emergency (hospitalization) insurance and those who could not buy insurance were taken care of by our hospitals? We would pay out of pocket for doctor's visits and it was affordable. These very same doctors would also take care of those who could not afford to pay.
How can we hope to have the best doctors remain in practice if they are not paid properly for their expertise? And what in the world is going to happen with all the new Medicaid patients coming into the same Medicare system that has run amok - in a society where anyone can sue and sue and sue? Would you ever suggest to anyone that he/she attend Medical School? I would not unless that person never needed to earn a living).
I am grateful for my insurance coverage, but I am most unhappy that our system is so rife with stupidity. I am so pleased a young man named Paul Ryan has taken the time to analyze our situation, current and future, and come up with some specific proposals. Certainly we can not expect a functioning medical solution with the current health care "deal" agreed to by those Senate and House lawyers who know NOTHING about medicine.
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I confess that I don't know what was in the Medicare bill. But having worked in the medical insurance field for 30 years and having dealt with insurance companies, I would be very concerned if private insurance companies are given total control over my Medicare insurance coverage. One thing I didn't see mentioned by any of the comments that I read, was that one way they will save money is to deny benefits. It's already happening. Just because you are paying for medical insurance, don't think for a minute that you'll necessarily get to use it. There are more restrictions on people, and people are not allowed to stay in the hospital even when medically that's where they should be. One of the favorite sayings we have in the hospital field is that people are being sent home "quicker and sicker". The insurance companies (and Medicare too) are expecting patients' families to do some of the care that once upon a time was done in the hospital. A good portion of our health care money goes directly into the pockets of CEOs and to the insurance company middle man...doctors, nurses, office people who are all monitering whether or not they should pay for certain necessary tests or treatments. Also, many insurance companies refuse to pay for certain medications that patients need. Some people don't do well on generic meds but their insurance companies may not cover the use of the brand name med. In some cases, patients' doctors are able to write letters and the insurance company will allow the brand med, but not in all cases. And as someone here also mentioned, these companies are for profit and have stockholders whom they have to please. I don't think I would want my medical care contingent upon how well a company's stock is doing. For people who do have concern with Medicare fraud or any other insurance company fraud, they can call their insurance company and question any charges that seem inappropriate. And they can also call their state's insurance commission or Better Business Bureau with complaints. Another thing I want to mention is that for people who have no health insurance, very few doctors' offices will even give them appointments. Things always sound good in theory, but in actuality sometimes, it's a completely different situation. I don't know what the answer is, but I do know that we need to take care of our elderly in this country. God bless America!!
PM said: I confess that I don't know what was in the Medicare bill. But having worked in the medical insurance field for 30 years and having dealt with insurance companies, I would be very concerned if private insurance companies are given total control over my Medicare insurance coverage. One thing I didn't see mentioned by any of the comments that I read, was that one way they will save money is to deny benefits. It's already happening. Just because you are paying for medical insurance, don't think for a minute that you'll necessarily get to use it. There are more restrictions on people, and people are not allowed to stay in the hospital even when medically that's where they should be. One of the favorite sayings we have in the hospital field is that people are being sent home "quicker and sicker". The insurance companies (and Medicare too) are expecting patients' families to do some of the care that once upon a time was done in the hospital. A good portion of our health care money goes directly into the pockets of CEOs and to the insurance company middle man...doctors, nurses, office people who are all monitering whether or not they should pay for certain necessary tests or treatments. Also, many insurance companies refuse to pay for certain medications that patients need. Some people don't do well on generic meds but their insurance companies may not cover the use of the brand name med. In some cases, patients' doctors are able to write letters and the insurance company will allow the brand med, but not in all cases. And as someone here also mentioned, these companies are for profit and have stockholders whom they have to please. I don't think I would want my medical care contingent upon how well a company's stock is doing. For people who do have concern with Medicare fraud or any other insurance company fraud, they can call their insurance company and question any charges that seem inappropriate. And they can also call their state's insurance commission or Better Business Bureau with complaints. Another thing I want to mention is that for people who have no health insurance, very few doctors' offices will even give them appointments. Things always sound good in theory, but in actuality sometimes, it's a completely different situation. I don't know what the answer is, but I do know that we need to take care of our elderly in this country. God bless America!!Our favorite saying for insurance companies is delay, deny, & delete. I'm tired of filling the pockets of the insurance companies and they inturn fill the pockets of the politicians. Gold Bless America!
when congress and all other freeloaders have the same insurance as medicare,then i will agree to this plan????
Paul Ryan and the republicans could give a damn about whether the public has healthcare as long as they have their government funded healthcare. Medicaire was started in the first place because seniors could not get fair treatment from private insurance. Nothing has changed. They are still 4 profit. Healthcare is a human right except in this country. If other countries can provide affordable healthcare to all citizens, why can.t this country. The insuranc industry that is why. I would never vote for anyone who wants to kill medicaire, medicaid or social security. You can fix our healthcare system. It just takes courage. President obama has the courage. The republicans need to get out of the way if they are not serious.
Don't you get it?? All those visits are BECAUSE Medicare devalues humans by not fairly paying doctors. All those additional visits may just make up for the losses. C'mon! A $20,000 operation for $1600? Is that fair? And what does that say about the value of the patient? Perhaps the costs would come down if Medicare paid a realistic rate.
Doctors, other medical professionals and facilities do not have to accept Medicare. If they get fed up enough, or can't meet expenses, they'll just stop seeing Medicare patients. That will be a health care crisis!
As true to capitalism, competition is king. Why do you suppose there are so many health insurance companies? Why do so many heavily advertise? BECAUSE THEY WANT THOSE DOLLARS! Without those dollars, shareholders don't make money. Shareholders also have voting power, so management is accountable for profits, or lack thereof. Competition requires companies to make their benefits attractive to buyers. Some of the shareholders also buy into the company.Do you really think people will buy, or shareholders tolerate a company that cuts benefits and loses customers?
The gov't competes with no one, so it can pay insultingly low claims,or none at all, without consequence. Beneficiaries are stuck. Furthermore, Medicare--and the Part D [no] benefit--is forced on those of a certain age, whereas health insurance is not. Beneficiaries are penalized for joining too early, or too late. Not the case for private insurance.
Although supplemental insurance is not required, I recently had to purchase a policy. I'm on Medicare due to disability, not age. Thanks to miserable gov't sponsored Medicare reimbursements, my vendors can no longer meet my needs on a hardship waiver, so I buy a supplement. There were at least 20 choices--CHOICES--and all within $1000 of each other. After plowing through the benefit packages, I picked Blue Cross, still called the Cadillac of health insurance. Surprsingly, it was less expensive than many companies with lesser benefits.
This is what's so very wrong. Our skewed pespective is that medicine and insurance are obscene because a very good living can be had, while providing service to virtually everyone. Yet, union leaders, who provide limited benefit to an exclusive group only, also make as much or more, without a whimper from anyone.
Yes, I'd rather choose my provider. I trust our capitalistic system and have reaped direct and great benefit from its existence. You go, Rep Ryan, with your courageous self! I'm ready for my freedom of choice!
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